More on language-based immigration targets

How exactly does one set a language-based immigration ‘quota’? The Telegraph Journal keeps harping on this story – and it feels an awful lot like an ‘us’ versus ‘them’. Acadian groups support it and guys like Percy Mockler oppose it (and the Enterprise network).

People from France aren’t emigrating – at least not many. The ones that end up in Canada are overwhelmed by Quebec (look at how many government officials from Quebec work in Paris trying to attract immigrants, tourists and business). People from other French speaking countries may and I stress may be an opportunity but historically speaking there is not much there.

So, let’s say we need 10,000 people per year through immigration. That means we need even more because we know that a significant percentage start here and move.

You have to be logical about this.

Having said that, I think New Brunswick should set up camp right next to Quebec in France and ‘compete’ for immigrants, tourists and business. It’s just that we never really have. The T&T ran all kinds of stories about how former Premier Lord was loved in France – charming, was the word I think they used. And yet, 35 immigrants from France to Moncton. Not last year. Not last decade. Total. All time.

If Premier Lord was so charming, why wasn’t more done to actually get results in France?

But I digress.

We need a serious, well thought out approach to attract Francophone immigrants but we need to be realistic that the majority – probably vast majority – will come from non Francophone (and non Anglophone) countries. So, when immigrants arrive, they need to be taught both languages.

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0 Responses to More on language-based immigration targets

  1. NB taxpayer says:

    Good post, David. If the truth be known, it is that more youth in France have left their own country to go work in London, parts of Germany and Switzerland….just to name a few. I really don’t think NB is even on their radar screen.

    Contrary to what we’re led to believe here in the economic backwaters of New Brunswick, most young citizens in France who want to thrive are learning to speak english and are heading to regions of the globe where the markets are strong, where governments are less intrusive, opportunities are high and taxes are low. And at the moment, that doesn’t happen to be France, Quebec or New Brunswick.

    However, we do receive a few french speaking citizens from poverty stricken and corrupt countries in Africa and the Middle east (as well as a few students). But that has nothing to do with France. Not to mention, a lot of immigrants of African heritage tend not to stay very long in NB due to its homgeneity.

    Getting back to France, last I heard, many are returning home as Sarko has given them hope that their country will open its borders to a more secular western view and make the country more competitive and lean with lower taxes and small government.

    I think this is a refreshing approach for young french citizens who are tired of government telling them what to do with their money and time. Which is why they will never land on our shores.

    btw, I think a lot of educated youth in NB (who want to thrive)view the arguements about how government will run our lives in the same manner…which is why they leave for greener (stronger markets).

  2. NB taxpayer says:

    Oh sorry David, I know you like numbers to back up a claim. Here’s a few from a good BBC article I found:

    Which goes some way to explain why 15,000 move to the UK every year.

    The French embassy says there are 270,000 French people living in the UK, though others say there are many more, perhaps as many as 350,000.

    This quote Boris Hure hit home, “I left because I could not stand [the view] that business means taking over daddy’s firm.”

    I think it’s safe to say that challenges such as these exist because a true entrepreneurial spirit doesn’t develope the way it should in an overly bureaucratic society where regressive taxes are imposed on the middle class. I’ve heard business owners in Alberta and Ontario (ex-maritimers) say the same thing as Boris said above.

  3. mikel says:

    Again, so that people don’t get the wrong idea, people move to where there are jobs, simple as that. Nobody moves to ontario because of taxes as opposed to NB, because there is almost no difference between the two.

    No two immigrants are alike so you can’t base an ideology on what immigrants do. You can go on Facebook and read all about the young people who say they left the maritimes because “there is nothing to DO”. That has nothing to do with work.

    Take a look at one of the hotspots for the brain drain. Namely Norway. Great paying jobs, and GUARANTEED month long holidays every year at a minimum. Cubicles within office buildings are completely illegal, workers MUST have an outside window.

    Taxes there are through the room, astronomical compared to here. But who in their right mind WOULDN”T want to work there? Hell, I’m thinking of learning Norwegian.

    There are those like our friend above who will make his decision on where to move based on how much money they will make and how little they will have to give to government. That’s fine, but don’t pretend everybody is that way. The only people that will apply to is non workers, OWNERS. And as we’ve said, in NB the small business tax was 1.5% for YEARS. Thats one fifth what it was in ontario.

    So did small businesses come and flock to New Brunswick? Not at all, there were fewer. And New Brunswick’s taxes are far less than Nova Scotia’s, so why are there more start ups in Nova Scotia than New Brunswick?

    Simply because taxes are way down on the list. Canada already has fairly low taxes compared to european countries, and yet we are getting WAY behind on productivity measures.

    For immigrants, particularly ones looking to start a business, the reality is that NB has no market, so why move there? Why not move to ontario where there are lots of other immigrants and lots of customers and close proximity to even bigger markets?

    The simple reality is to target immigrants. There are things that NB can offer than other places can’t, but in the end, it would have to be much like attracting industry, you have to OFFER something to sweeten the pot. And the reality is that immigrants, for a number of reasons, are FAR more likely to be poor and have to use the services of the state. That is true all over the world. And you know what the arguments are like just in general about welfare in NB, just imagine what it would be like if the people were from another ethnic background.

  4. NB taxpayer says:

    Again, so that people don’t get the wrong idea, people move to where there are jobs, simple as that. Nobody moves to ontario because of taxes as opposed to NB, because there is almost no difference between the two.

    That’s not true, when I was in Ottawa, I got to sit down with a lot of people one-on-one from around the country. The common theme from most Albertans, they would never move to Ontario because of the high taxes. I heard that line so much, it was like a broken record. And I was an Ontarioan at the time, so I’m sure they have no problem telling everyone else as well…

    Moreover, I think I told you this before Mikel, but I have a few friends from France who moved away from that country for that very reason. (lack of quality opportunities and high taxes) They are much happier now that they are living under a less bureaucratic regime.

    But why am I wasting my time telling you this? as I’m not sure of the odds of a Hogo Chavez fan warming up to capitalism and free markets. 😉