Moncton considers ‘Chinese village’

Some people are already being critical and cynical about the proposed “Chinese Village” that might be set up in Moncton. This is a project at the planning stages and needs much more work but I would urge you not to be so critical.

We are in an age when New Brunswick needs to get out front and be innovative if we want to stimulate economic development. The market for traditional, plain vanilla approaches to economic development is saturated. We can’t even win moderately sized projects like the AIM Trimark financial back office project that just announced on PEI.

If, and I say if, the backers of this project can attract millions in Chinese investment and hundreds of Chinese immigrants over the next 10 years, why not?

The whole purpose of the Chinese Village is to provide a comfortable venue (services, housing, etc.) for Chinese immigrants. It is not to build a city within a city that isolates the citizens from the rest of the residents.

We already know that immigrants in general are much more likely to put their kids in French Immersion programs (the bilingual rate (English/French – so technically trilingual) among persons with neither English or French as thier first language is much higher than those with English as a first language). They are embracing the dual culture in this community. We are talking about adding another cultural element in this community and I say bring it on. As long as we continue to nurture the community’s French and English heritage, I believe we must bring in thousands of immigrants over the next 10-20 years.

So to the folks championing this concept, I say bring it on.

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0 Responses to Moncton considers ‘Chinese village’

  1. Anonymous says:

    Those are some big ‘ifs’. Chinese village exist in areas with large chinese populations but they grow naturally from within.

    IF, as you say, this is a bunch of super wealthy chinese people going to build, construct,and maintain a ‘village’ (whatever this means) in Moncton and start sinking money in locally and bringing over immigrants-essentially doing what the Department of Immigration has never done, or the province has never done.

    However, desperate places are easy marks. Having had some experience in dealing with the chinese I can tell you that what they ‘say’ they want to do and what they REALLY want to do are two very different things. I’m not saying they are liars, I’m saying that the culture is radically different. BC has a long history of dealing with the chinese-many of it getting burned in investments. Now they are far better at figuring the ins and outs.

    The question is WHY they would be looking at Moncton, if you can’t answer that, little red sirens should go off in your head.

  2. Anonymous says:

    That paragraph is unclear above, IF they want to do those things the feds won’t do, more power to em. The jury is still out on just how much immigrants bring to an area. Immigration in canada is highly tied to labour needs, when there is a society where most who need a certain salary will go elsewhere, and there is a certain percentage of the population which aren’t productive workers (for whatever reason-single mothers, addicts, injured, etc.) then immigration kicks in.

    So the question is whether MONCTON is looking into this, or the ‘chinese investors’, if it costs no canadian money and adds all kinds of inventment, hooray. I frankly don’t see why the chinese would be looking at Moncton, but let’s hope all things work out (keep in mind that there’s nothing wrong with skepticism, particularly since we play no part in the decisions anyway)

  3. scott says:

    A conversation from your post “A guy named ‘Guy'” almost a year ago.

    Vive NB ask me this question:

    Bringing visible minorities to an disenfranchised economy is a recipe for disaster.

    My reply:

    You are correct in stating that visible minorities who land in NB and the maritimes through immigration eventually leave for greener pastures.(Mostly due to the lack of quality employment here in NB)

    I don’t believe that this is the primary reason that we don’t attracked more immigrants who are of visible minority status.

    Go to any major city in Ontario, Quebec, BC or Alberta and the first thing that you will notice is that many “gilded ghettos” are popping up in large numbers in many of the designated communities I mentioned above.

    For instance, in the Chinese “gilded ghetto” near the area where I used to live in Ottawa(Nepean to be exact), there were many locally owned laundrimats, restaurants, taxi services and Chinese owned businesses where immigrants could work right away when they entered Canada. They knew this before they even set foot on Canadian soil.

    The problem with NB and the maritimes is that visible minorities do not have a presence or any services run by their own people. They, in turn, begin to feel isolated and uncomfortable here in NB, as well they are usually reliant on government welfare to survive their initial move. This is largely due to the sparse presence of a support system (i.e. gilded ghettos)in the maritimes provinces.

    This is why many people like Guy Shaham have to change their last name to Graham in order to find quality employment.

    Eventually, you will find that individuals like Guy will leave mainly because they don’t feel welcome.

    This is something that definitely needs to be addressed if we are to have more diversity and immigration here in NB in the future.

    I said it then and I say it now, building a Chinese community within a community in Moncton is a good start. But it still doesn’t change the fact there are no jobs and an unwelcoming attitude toward immigrants.

    Btw, the fact that we have two working languages does not make us more a more diverse society where we are welcoming to immigrants.

    It was said that a big reason that the 1995 Quebec referendum was unsuccessful for the “Yes” side was because a huge block of visible minorities voted against the french separatist because they knew that they would not be welcome in a francophone dominated Quebec. I know this to be true because I have a bunch of friends who I went to school with in Ottawa who are Muslim, Chinese and Japanese. They told me they were sick and tired of the old arguements being revisited every year with regards to language. The very same arguements that are happening here. So they packed their bags and headed to Toronto and now they are happy living in a society that has an improved outlook on true diversity.

  4. MonctonLandlord says:

    Dear Anon,

    You are living in isolation, just peak your head out the window, and count the number of businesses that have ventured out in China in the last 12 months, some have even built manufacturing plants there (Triangle Kitchens is one that comes to mind). Many have gone there and considered investing in China. It is only fitting that the Chinese are invited here, and they have already accepted our invitation. Dude, start talking to the Moncton Businesses, and get informed. Did you know you that for a few years now, you can take chinese language courses at U de M?

  5. Anonymous says:

    IF all those things are true then there is really nothing to talk about. There is no need for government involvement whatsoever. If the market supports it, then the chinese investors will buy land, buildings, start businesses and on and on. There is no more reason to discuss it than when Albertans came and bought up huge numbers of buildings in Fredericton. The only questions arise as to what they do with them (in the case of Fredericton many became slum lords).

    As for ‘welcome’, nobody is saying anything about ‘hey, don’t you guys come here’ or anything like that. As I’ve said, just ask a BC investor how much trouble they’ve had with Chinese real estate deals. So the question has nothing to do with racism, but quid pro quo. Is Moncton and the provincial government building a village based on certain assumptions, or is the story simply that a group of chinese people want to buy land. As long as its not a taxpayer deal, more power to them.

    If it IS, then the big questions come out. If businesses do business in china that has nothing to do with it, businesses do business with Norway too, but nobody is talking about a Norwegian village, or a Saudi Arabian village, or anyting else. As always, if investors want to come and buy land and build whatever they want, more power to them. But I can take ancient greek languages at university too, and I can take hebrew and any number of others, that doesn’t say anything about demographics-I’m not an ancient greek or jewish.

  6. Alec says:

    As you say David (repeatedly), “bring it on”.

    The Chinese will come, see and nearly conquer. Until they realize how truly mean-minded and unimaginative this part of the world can be, they will spill millions of American bucks into the region’s economies.

    We will then use their dollars to build 5,000-square-foot houses artfully appointed with late 20th Century chintz as we ensure that not one of our kids knows anything about history, economics, philosophy, science or literature.

    As for me, I’m planning to gild the frame of my bedroom mirror in gold leaf. That should be enough of a distraction to prevent me from actually looking into it.

  7. scott says:

    The Chinese will come, see and nearly conquer. Until they realize how truly mean-minded and unimaginative this part of the world can be, they will spill millions of American bucks into the region’s economies.

    Mean-minded and unimaginative? I guess you’re right Alec, they probably won’t want to have anything to do with the cook down at House of Lam Restaurant on Mountain road. lol

  8. David Campbell says:

    That’s the thing about biting satire. Guys like me just don’t quite get it. Ouch.

  9. Blackjack says:

    The first thing to remember is that Chinese manufacturers have very very minimal labor costs. Rarely do they set up manufacuring business in foregin countries. I think the average wage is equivalent to a cup of rice.
    There are lots of Chinatowns across the globe. New York and San Francisco are the most famous ones but they are present in cities as diverse as Liverpool, Munich and Dublin to name but 3.
    Rarely do they contribute positively to the host economy, because they tend to import everything from China it drives up the import figures and this adversely affects the economic balance.
    They use restaurants as a front for their operations and they usually employ only Oriental people there. Sometimes the smuggle in staff from other Asian countries such as Malaysia, Taiwan etc to staff these outlets and pay them below scale for the privilege.
    They also migrate further into the local economy and work below scale thereby displacing native workers from local jobs.
    They are an insular race and find it difficult to integrate fully as they are perceived as surly, withdrawn, rude etc.
    There is also the crime factor (gambling, human trafficking, violence, drugs etc) and cursory research will illuminate this.
    There are also health issues as immunisation procedures in Asia are not as all encompassing as they are here and viral complaints usually are amplified through trans mutation (bird flu, sars etc)and lower hygiene standards which causes problems for health professionals in the host countries.
    The Chinese can be of benefit to a community but the whole idea should be regulated and checked out thoroughly beforehand.